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Thursday, August 17, 2006

Witchy-Woo's Wednesday Wow is about...

...communication, this week. There seems to be so much discommunication amongst people who say they have the best interests of all women at heart.

I'm looking antiprincess's post of 11 August.

Just because women need stuff - ordinary, everyday stuff that everyone needs, it's ok to prostitute ourselves because we're women....and that's our worth? We become 'sex' because we need the same stuff as everyone else?

As Anti-P says
"Regardless of how I feel about prostitution in the abstract, right this very minute some vast uncountable number of wretched and miserable prostitutes wish they could get into some other line of work. Right now, some vast uncountable number of women and girls are being sold into sexual slavery all over the world.

That's awful, if it's true - and I believe it to be true. I'd love to do something about that. I'd feel good about that - like I really helped women. I would love to put some time and money into helping them. I'd feel righteous and proud and good about myself if I did that.
But spot the feminist confusion so beloved of the patriarchy...
How you fuck, or whom you fuck, or whether you even fuck at all, does not make you superior to me.
And all I have to say about that is: everyone fucks. How you fuck, or whom you fuck, or whether you even fuck at all - and why you fuck (mine) - does not make anyone 'superior' but, all too often these days, is designed, dictated and designated by the patriarchy to make someone less than you are.

The comments are fab and telling - please, go read.


  • At 8:22 AM, Blogger Laurelin said…

    The misconceptions of radical feminism in those comments are quite incredible. I usually at least try and know what I'm talking about when I argue against something! Hell.

    The article and comments make my brain hurt.

  • At 1:17 PM, Blogger jack said…

    Sometimes, I despair. If other feminists can't get radical feminism right, what's going on?

    Then I notice something in the press totally distorting the radfem position and suddenly it all makes sense.

    And that makes me think (when I'm unusually optimistic*) that actually patriarchy does feel threatened by radical feminism.

    *This doesn't happen often!

  • At 1:58 PM, Blogger manxome said…

    Do I have to?

    I've come across that place before. Have you looked through older posts and comments? Forget what the prevailing issue is, it's how it's executed. I have no interest in that.

  • At 7:31 PM, Blogger belledame222 said…

    You know, it's a bit ironic to be accusing anyone else of misprepresenting radical feminism when you yourself have been trying to redefine "feminism" (not just "radical feminism") according to your own interpretation. And don't seem to be even passing familiar with any other branch of feminism.

    as for the misprepresentation (or not) going on there; dude, just goin' off what's been happening in the blogosphere and/or what some of us read (Dworkin, Jeffreys, MAcKinnon, Morgan, Raymond...)

  • At 10:03 PM, Blogger Renegade Evolution said…


    Funny, it's not been the patriarchy doing all the "conditional feminism based on who/how/why/what you fuck" here lately...

    it's been feminists. And I think a great many of us who probably do not know what the real hardline behind radical feminism now ever want to know, or really care, because a great many self-proclaimed radical feminists have been nothing but rude, abrasive, and condescending to people who do not agree with them. It's hard to even attempt to discuss anything when from the word go you are insulted or overlooked.

  • At 10:14 PM, Anonymous therealUK said…

    OK, some men pay women for sex and treat them nicely. So ?

    Consider this:

    There were plently of white slave owners who treated their black slaves nicely as well, with good food, companionship, educational opportunities. Plently of white slave owners who fell in love with their slaves, had mutually desired children with their slaves, maybe even recognised them as fully human.

    But here's the thing - none of this makes slavery acceptable. None of this makes the race-based designation of people as property acceptable. It's just not OK to defend slavery on the grounds that not all slave owners were raping and beating their servants.

    Do I need to spell out the next bit ? Do I ? Fine, here it is then.

    A few nice individuals within a corrupt and inhumane system do not justify the maintenance and support of that system. This is what radfem is about: recognising that it's the system that's the problem. The sexist, patriachal, anti-women system that we live in - that's the problem.

    That's the basis of radfem, it's not complicated, not superior, not man-hating, and how the bloody hell it gets translated into all that, along with the rest of the tripe that's written against radfems is absolutely remarkable really.

    (Tried to post this on antiprincess site but couldn't as I don't have blogger account and am not signing up for just one comment)

  • At 9:32 AM, Blogger Renegade Evolution said…


    you know, I could consider that, but I do not consider myself a slave. not now, not ever.

  • At 11:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Prostitution has been glamoursed a lot over recently years via blogs, novels, films - in many different aspects of the media and I think due to this, a lot of sectors of the oublic (even segements of the Feminist population) have been swayed and have conflicting attitides towards hooking.

    There is a segment of the population who believe that sexual empowerment is still power, women making men pay for their services is still power over the sexist pigs of this world and I find it intriguing the debates that are created off the back of these new-age trains of thought.

  • At 11:27 AM, Blogger Pippa said…

    I really feel quite saddened by all that I have just read at ISTM. Is this what people think Radfems are? How do we explain ourselves? How do we make it any clearer? Witchy, you are getting it right as far as I can see. I haven't noticed you being rude or condescending! Cheers, Pippa x

  • At 1:00 PM, Blogger jo22 said…

    therealuk, I posted something similar - though maybe not as comprehensive - and it just got ignored. I'm confused; do non-radical feminists want to change our society or not? Because everything they argue for is in keeping with the status quo.

  • At 1:14 AM, Blogger antiprincess said…

    not ignoring, just thinking.

    I'd rather really think about a response and explore it evenhandedly and thoroughly rather than just fly off the handle.

    Not sure you can paint every "non-radical feminist" with my brush, Jo. And I'm not sure I'm arguing for much of anything specifically. If you notice I very rarely actually advocate anything, or assert anything strongly. I'm all about the weasel words (and I'm not at all sure I speak for the whole sexpos blogosphere.) But for all that I don't often take a solid position on anything, I ask a lot of questions. I think that's good, whether or not the answers ever reveal themselves.

    yeah - I'm not ignoring y'all. I just want to give your position the respect and dignity it deserves in my reply.

  • At 11:10 AM, Blogger Phemisaurus Terribilis said…

    I'm confused. Is antip, like, a topic in its own right?

  • At 12:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I was confused too, but I think the contradictions, arguments and confusion ARE the point.

    Feminists are people too and have their own individual opinions. Contradictions are bound to happen.

    My brain is melting......

  • At 7:01 AM, Anonymous Laurelin said…

    You know, it's a bit ironic to be accusing anyone else of misprepresenting radical feminism when you yourself have been trying to redefine "feminism" (not just "radical feminism") according to your own interpretation. And don't seem to be even passing familiar with any other branch of feminism.
    What evidence do you have that I am guilty of any of those things, 'dude'?


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