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Wednesday, June 14, 2006

Witchy-Woo's Wednedsay Wow...

...is responsible for articulating something that's been rumbling around in my head for years and years but that I've never actually had the courage to verbalise. Maybe I was too scared to say it because the implications are terrifying but Biting Beaver is blowing apart the myths in her usual, inimitable fashion and, yes, the implications really are terrifying.

BB addresses the often delusional aspect of sexual fantasy in relation to masturbation. As she puts it:
People seriously believe that we masturbate to things that we don't really want. Things we wouldn't really enjoy or that we don't think we'd enjoy. I call bullshit here.
She makes a convincing argument...
When masturbation exists purely as a pleasure seeking Pavlovian response we would choose to sully our pleasurable experience with images of things that turn us off? Things that disgust us?
...and reminds women that...
a man who is masturbating to violent rape is a man who enjoys violent rape. Don't let him feed you a line of bullshit saying, "I would never want to do this to you" because he's lying, he may NOT do this to you, but he absolutely WANTS to.
...and he needs to take responsibility for that.

It's an excellent post. Go read.


  • At 10:56 AM, Blogger simply wondered said…

    yes BB always a good read. Maybe the masurbation thing is about things we might like to think we don't want but can only confront the possibility that we want a 'wrong' thing via fantasy. Don't know whether that is straightforward dishonesty or the approaching of self-knowledge via a safer route where we have a personal headspace to try ideas on for size even when (particularly when) they are the sort of things that we and others may stigmatise (sometimes quite rightly eg rape and sometimes just perhaps unnecessarily eg desire for submission).
    Wow! You can tell I'm thinking that out as I go along by the Henry James-length (without the elegance) sentence. You see WW you make me think - thank you.
    BB also great name.

  • At 9:07 PM, Blogger asdgasdfaserwe said…

    I had an argument with some men about pornography (you know the kind of argument I'm talking about). As soon as I asked them what they think about when they masturbate they went dead silent and had nothing further to say.

    It's good to call people up on their fantasies, especially when what we're talking about is the thoughts of rape and torture of women that a sizeable portion of men evoke in order to orgasm. If a thought can make something happen how can people possibly deny it being real.

    Men accused of rape should have their homes searched for pornography in the same way that pedophiles are.

  • At 12:16 AM, Blogger simply wondered said…

    I'd find talking about masturbation more difficult than talking about fantasies. It would be really illuminating to pin down (no pun there) any of us on what goes on in the secret bits of our selves - but not sure I'd like anyone doing it to me. Maybe it'd feel a bit like a kind of rape?

  • At 12:45 AM, Blogger belledame222 said…

    My problem with this, okay--

    well, it's a very very different way from mine of understanding how the mind works, let's put it that way.

    I mean, look: fantasies are pretty much daytime dreaming. A little more conscious than the ones you have at night, but not much. Do you take your dreams literally? 'Cause I sure don't take mine literally. It's not true that they don't mean *anything,* but, it's not, like, a one-to-one correspondance, either. If I dream I'm being chased by a tiger, it doesn't mean I want to be chased by a tiger, and it doesn't even mean I fear being chased by a tiger. It means *something,* probably. But if I took it literally all it'd mean is I'd have to avoid the zoo, which probably wouldn't get me very far.

    So, yeah, people can easily fantasize about things that they wouldn't want in real life. Do it all the time. Hell, in a lot of cases they're not things that would even be physically possible. That's why they're fantasies.


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